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abndogo
DACA Addict (LOL)
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 Posted - 07/29/2010 : 05:34:47
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| Sorry for the misinterpretation of your words. In the 2nd picture, it looks like the hair is thinner in many spots where it is red, but not huge patches. I would get the scraping ASAP, and if it is negative, then I would have the vet put him on Cephalexin 10-15mg per pound twice a day for a good 3-4 weeks MINIMUM and definately benadryl 1mg per pound twice a day, and last, use either Etiderm or Pyoderm shampoo. But, first the scraping! |
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PPC Dogos
Senior DACA Message Board Poster
Denmark
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 08:24:06
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I am sure this is NOT demodex. It looks like a skin irritation, nothing else. Very typicial from over washing and too sterile enviroment makes the dog sentisive. NO more washing, keep the dog as much out as possible.
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OlyDogo
DACA Moderator
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 08:44:50
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Originally posted by PPC Dogos
I am sure this is NOT demodex. It looks like a skin irritation, nothing else. Very typicial from over washing and too sterile enviroment makes the dog sentisive. NO more washing, keep the dog as much out as possible.
I agree with B do not waste your money on vets, I have seen it a thousand times with rescues who have been washed to much with strong chemicals, matter fact I would take the direction of removing wheat and corn from the diet and not washing the dog for at least 6 months or more---- if you feed good food the dog will never smell.
Matter fact from my expirience I would consider this a MINOR case.
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GemasMom
Newbie
Honduras
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 09:09:09
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| Okay, I just googled Demodex and photos of it... Mange? LOL I didn't realize that's what you were all talking about. I agree with PPC Dogos, she most certainly does not have Demodex. Before I posted here I googled skin rashes, irritations, diseases, etc in dogs and never found any pics that matched what she has. Maybe the pics I posted aren't very clear, but the little red bumps on her skin look nothing like Demodex. I was out of the country for 2 weeks during which my husband was in charge of Gema's care and the stinker did not bathe her or give her the allergy pills. I just got back this past Saturday and honestly she does look a tiny bit better. I will not bathe her anymore! Someone suggested taking her to the beach to play in the saltwater though,and I know that helps human skin often, so I will probably try that. Another thought is, could hormones play any part in this? She is just now 7 months old and probably about to go into her first heat. Also, the pills that the vet gave us (and we haven't used yet) are called "Lortadina" and are described as non-steroid anti-allergy pills that alleviate the symptoms of allergies to drugs, food, allergic dermatitis due to fleas and other dermatological afflictions. (my best translation) Any thoughts on this? |
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GemasMom
Newbie
Honduras
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 12:20:41
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| OlyDogo: You know what, Gema never smells bad! I was just desperate to get her skin clean and healthy so I followed the vet's suggestion thinking that this gentle soap he gave me wouldn't hurt her, against my better judgment. The good news is that I believe I may have finally found the culprit. Remember that I said she was covered in ticks when I got her? Well, I wasn't exaggerating... I pulled off literally 30+ per day, it was insane. She hasn't had any in about a month (we started Revolution about a month ago) but I found a tick on her again today. It wasn't attached, but it appeared to be walking away from one spot to go feed on another. I thought ticks just stayed put once they were attached, but apparently not. I just so happened to be sitting on the floor with her head and front paws on my lap or I wouldn't have even noticed it. Anyhow, the spot the tick left was one of those red bumps. I googled ticks and tick bites and apparently some dogs' skin gets more irritated by this than others and tick bites are very slow to heal. She was due to get another dose of Revolution on the 25th but I don't get paid until the 1st so she has had a little gap in treatment. None of the red bumps look infected so I'm going to just make sure to keep her prevention up-to-date, lay off on the baths and take her to the beach. It would be nice to get her off of the kibble (there is not a single brand sold here that doesn't contain corn or wheat) but I will have to do some research on homemade food as I have absolutely no experience with it. It is such a relief to have finally found a probable cause of her skin irritation and some solutions though. I deeply appreciate all of the replies from the members of this group! Any other comments, ideas or suggestions are still welcome btw :) |
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abndogo
DACA Addict (LOL)
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 12:50:19
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I have to disagree with Oly and B, no disrespect...the only way to know if it is demodex is a scraping....you cant tell by looking at pics. I had a dal with demodex and it didnt look like the pics on line either. I can tell you sites where you can get the cephalexin without a vet rx and it is a lot cheaper. The loratdine the vet gave you is also known as Claritin(brand name) and it is over the counter. The skin doesn't necessarily have to "look infected" to be infected...I have been through this many, many times with my past 2 dogos, I know it all too well. The etiderm and the pyoderm is not a "shampoo" as you know a "shampoo" they are keratolytics,antibacterial,and folicular flusing, can also buy online
http://www.virbacvet.com/virbac_dermatology/product/etiderm_shampoo/
http://www.virbacvet.com/virbac_dermatology/product/pyoben_shampoo/
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/70900.htm
the picture in the merck manual does not look like what my dogs had, however, looked more like your picture(moth eaten look), and cleared up with the treatment I suggested. The etiology behind a skin infection in a dog is this....the dog has an allergic reaction to something(causing reddness, swelling, papules), causing the naturally occuring staph on a dogs skin to get under it, causing pyoderma....it usually wont go away without antibiotics. |
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GemasMom
Newbie
Honduras
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 14:19:34
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| abndogo: When you say that your dalmation looked like Gema's pics... is that to say there were not any patches of hair loss and he/she had only small red bumps under the fur? I've just never seen mange (due to either kind of parasite that causes it) without patches of hair loss, and she doesn't have that. Better safe than sorry is a great motto though, and she has an appointment with the vet set for early next week. I'll ask him about the scraping then. I also might add that though she has these red bumps, she doesn't scratch, bite or lick at them. From what I understand, demodex causes quite a bit of itchiness... either way I will definitely post when we finally have her issue resolved and let you all know what seemed to do the trick. Perhaps that will help someone in the future who runs into the same problem. |
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abndogo
DACA Addict (LOL)
4154 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 14:32:53
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| My dal actually didnt have any itching either with the demodex. But my 2 dogos never had any itching with the pyoderma either. Yea, I have the attitude better safe than sorry, esp with the only way to tell is my a skin scraping under the microscope. What antibiotics and shampoo did the vet give you? The lortadine is fine to give instead of benadryl, it is also a antihistamine like benadryl, with less sedating effects. |
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GemasMom
Newbie
Honduras
19 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 15:32:36
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He gave me Vetriderm by the Bayer company. I'm not sure it's sold in the US, at least not exactly under that name. This is my best translation of what it says on the box:
Ingredients: colloidal oatmeal, natural hydrating agents, natural emollient agents, antioxidants, natural pigments, chamomile extract, aloe vera extract, essential almond oil, exclusive ingredient Preventol... not sure what that is.
Designed for: frequent use on pets, to improve the silkiness of fur, to protect the skin due to its re-hydrating characteristics, to maintain the normal level of lipids in the skin, seborrheic infections, bacteria and fungus. In cases of pyoderma it is recommended to bathe the animal daily until the infection is resolved.
Overall I think it is a great soap for the dog when she does need a bath but I have had it burned into my brain over the years that it's just bad for the dog to be bathed more than 1 or 2 times per month, so the daily bath suggestion just freaked me out. Who knows. There's so much information out there and so many conflicting opinions and evidence that I just keep trying until something works :) |
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Atacama
Intermediate DACA Message Board Poster
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 15:51:16
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| My vet recomeded SIMPLICEF (3rd generation medicine) for same/similar skin reaction, which he said was caused by allergy that lowered the immunity of my dog and then bacterial infection took over. The improvement came after 5 days. He did not reccomend bathing dog so often, because it removes all the protective oils from dog's skin making it more prone for more bacteria to attach. |
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abndogo
DACA Addict (LOL)
4154 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 17:49:04
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| Ok, sounds like an ok shampoo....I personally LOVE the etiderm, if you can order it online in Honduras, I would recommend it. I still used it on my other dogos, it is very gentle and leaves their coat really soft and white, I always get compliments on their coats after a bath. It also has antibacterial and keratolytic properties. Atacama,Cephalexin is a 2nd generation cephalosporin given twice a day, Simplicef is a 3rd generation cephalosporin given once a day. Cephalexin is much cheaper, however, you have to give a lot more mg/lb twice a day. |
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PPC Dogos
Senior DACA Message Board Poster
Denmark
760 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 23:54:25
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Mo, Demodex do not look like this.
Gem, I would do as Oly say, keep her on natural food, away from corn, wheat etc.
About the beach thing, I would NOT recommend that either, keep her away from getting her natural fat layer in the skin off. Many dogs gets sentisive because that protecting layer is washed away.
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OlyDogo
DACA Moderator
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 04:34:34
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| That is NOT Demodex---- seems more like a food allergy or to much bath--- honestly |
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Yeti
DACA Moderator
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 06:01:51
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Yes Karin, Hormones can play a big part, almost like acne with teenagers!
A good Diet and no Baths is the first thing would do.
The food has: chicken meal, corn, soybean, wheat and chicken fat... and those are just the items I recongnize EEEW!!!!!
I love the Raw Diet. In one week’s time, our dogs get maybe 6 or 7 ingredients as apposed to 20, 30 or 50.
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GemasMom
Newbie
Honduras
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 09:22:57
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| Yeti I'm 36 and hormones still affect my skin LOL. I've heard a lot about the raw food diet for dogs; usually either die-hard supporters or very opposed to it. What specifically do you feed your dogs? Gema just turned 7 months old and we all know that large breed dogs continue growing until around 2 yrs of age or even older. What do you know about puppies and this diet? If you want to just send me an email or links or something that would be great too. |
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